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Calne council votes not to fly flag
CAMPAIGNERS have been left disgusted after Calne Town councillors voted not to fly the flag for the third time.
The move, decided at a Calne Town Council meeting yesterday, was met with disgust by Royal British Legion members.Ten councillors voted in favour of flying the flag on special occasions and for repatriation ceremonies.
10:07am Friday 9th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: P Dolman, Calne on 5:36pm Fri 9 May 08
I believe that this decision is a good compromise and hopefully will mean that this subject will be allowed to be closed. The issue in Calne is the "travellers site" and peoples efforts should be focused on that!
I believe that this decision is a good compromise and hopefully will mean that this subject will be allowed to be closed. The issue in Calne is the "travellers site" and peoples efforts should be focused on that!
Posted by: Harris, Calne on 7:48am Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
I believe that this decision is a good compromise and hopefully will mean that this subject will be allowed to be closed. The issue in Calne is the "travellers site" and peoples efforts should be focused on that![/quote] The statement above is factually incorrect, the Council voted against the flag, then for the flag, then against the flag. The headline of another report on this subject was [italic]Carry on up the Flagpole[/italic] which remains very apt.
P.Dolman believes that this decision is a good compromise. Isn’t a compromise generally reached by mutual agreement to meet at some middle ground? Have the electorate who signed the petitions agreed to meet at some middle ground? I think not. Have the Councillors chosen to vote against the express wishes of those people and just give them less than they are asking for? I think so.
You hope that this subject will be allowed to be closed, don’t build your hopes up…
P Dolman wrote:
I believe that this decision is a good compromise and hopefully will mean that this subject will be allowed to be closed. The issue in Calne is the "travellers site" and peoples efforts should be focused on that!
The statement above is factually incorrect, the Council voted against the flag, then for the flag, then against the flag. The headline of another report on this subject was
Carry on up the Flagpole which remains very apt.
P.Dolman believes that this decision is a good compromise. Isn’t a compromise generally reached by mutual agreement to meet at some middle ground? Have the electorate who signed the petitions agreed to meet at some middle ground? I think not. Have the Councillors chosen to vote against the express wishes of those people and just give them less than they are asking for? I think so.
You hope that this subject will be allowed to be closed, don’t build your hopes up…
Posted by: Ellie Bland, Calne on 1:39am Mon 12 May 08
The Electorate signed petitions asking their Ward Councillors to represent THEIR views to fly the flag 365 days in support of our serving armed forces personnel, and as a mark of repect for our brave dead and their families. Wootton Bassett, Melksham and other Councils fly the Union Flag daily. Having spoken to the Melksham Town Mayor on Saturday evening, he stated that he had been asked to show support and fly the flag. It was put before Melksham Town Councillors and agreed........no problem!
Having attended the Calne Town Council Meeting last Thursday, the general performance and rudeness of all but the 6 Councillors who voted for flying the Flag daily, will not go unoticed. Those who voted against, and it has been recorded, will be 'silly and rediculous'(words used by those Councillors regarding the motion), to expect any votes next year from their Electorate! After all, according to them, we are wasting their time on 'trivial matters'. Laying one's Life on the line is not 'Trivial'but courageous, and not to be ignored.
The Electorate signed petitions asking their Ward Councillors to represent THEIR views to fly the flag 365 days in support of our serving armed forces personnel, and as a mark of repect for our brave dead and their families. Wootton Bassett, Melksham and other Councils fly the Union Flag daily. Having spoken to the Melksham Town Mayor on Saturday evening, he stated that he had been asked to show support and fly the flag. It was put before Melksham Town Councillors and agreed........no problem!
Having attended the Calne Town Council Meeting last Thursday, the general performance and rudeness of all but the 6 Councillors who voted for flying the Flag daily, will not go unoticed. Those who voted against, and it has been recorded, will be 'silly and rediculous'(words used by those Councillors regarding the motion), to expect any votes next year from their Electorate! After all, according to them, we are wasting their time on 'trivial matters'. Laying one's Life on the line is not 'Trivial'but courageous, and not to be ignored.
Posted by: Attrebates, Calne on 1:00am today
I was in attendance at the public part of Monday's meeting and listened intently to Mr Mayo's presntation. It was concise, well reasoned and liberally sprinkled with well researched examples to re-inforce his cost claims and Calne residents polls.
Some councillors made similar well reasoned statements, .... others less so. Doubt was cast (rather impolitely)on the accuracy of the financial figures presented by Mr Mayo but no reasonable counter figures were produced. The town council had been offered up to 5 Union Flags to start them off so that cost would have been eliminated. They have been offered the financing of halyardsand even a lick of paint for the flagpole.
One councillor must be one the very few ex-serviceman who can say he did not think of the flag during his service. I only served for 30 years but I seem to recall proudly swearing allegiance to Her Majesty in front it and on occasions very happy to see it fluttering from the aerial of a Land Rover.
Yes Mr. You obviously have an issue with this but I fail to see what it is. Care to explain?
I was amazed to learn that councillors were unaware of the wording of the signature collecting questionnaire as this was the exact same wording as the proposal put forward and voted on at the Parish meeting a few weeks before. It is recorded in the minutes of that meeting. Do these councillors arrive at a meeting to vote on a proposal which they were all aware was on the agenda, fully unbriefed? Not good enough councillors! !
Councillors, Please do not allow the Union Flag be dragged through the politcal mire that some seem to want. IT, if not you, are worth more than that.
Some advised, in their arrogance, that they had not been contacted by the people they represent. At that moment I realised I didn't even know who my local councillor was........but I do now.
I was in attendance at the public part of Monday's meeting and listened intently to Mr Mayo's presntation. It was concise, well reasoned and liberally sprinkled with well researched examples to re-inforce his cost claims and Calne residents polls.
Some councillors made similar well reasoned statements, .... others less so. Doubt was cast (rather impolitely)on the accuracy of the financial figures presented by Mr Mayo but no reasonable counter figures were produced. The town council had been offered up to 5 Union Flags to start them off so that cost would have been eliminated. They have been offered the financing of halyardsand even a lick of paint for the flagpole.
One councillor must be one the very few ex-serviceman who can say he did not think of the flag during his service. I only served for 30 years but I seem to recall proudly swearing allegiance to Her Majesty in front it and on occasions very happy to see it fluttering from the aerial of a Land Rover.
Yes Mr. You obviously have an issue with this but I fail to see what it is. Care to explain?
I was amazed to learn that councillors were unaware of the wording of the signature collecting questionnaire as this was the exact same wording as the proposal put forward and voted on at the Parish meeting a few weeks before. It is recorded in the minutes of that meeting. Do these councillors arrive at a meeting to vote on a proposal which they were all aware was on the agenda, fully unbriefed? Not good enough councillors! !
Councillors, Please do not allow the Union Flag be dragged through the politcal mire that some seem to want. IT, if not you, are worth more than that.
Some advised, in their arrogance, that they had not been contacted by the people they represent. At that moment I realised I didn't even know who my local councillor was........but I do now.
Posted by: Attrebates, Calne on 1:10am today
Sorry Meeting on Thursday not Monday. MY Error!
Sorry Meeting on Thursday not Monday. MY Error!
Posted by: spooks, calne on 10:09am today
[quote][bold]P Dolman[/bold] wrote:
I believe that this decision is a good compromise and hopefully will mean that this subject will be allowed to be closed. The issue in Calne is the "travellers site" and peoples efforts should be focused on that![/quote] FOR ONCE I AGREE WITH PETER.
ITS TIME TO PUT THE FLAG TO ONE SIDE FOR A WHILE.
IT IS TIME TO FIGHT AGAINST THE PROPOSED GYPSIE SITES WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED IN CALNE.
WWW.CALNETALK.COM
P Dolman wrote:
I believe that this decision is a good compromise and hopefully will mean that this subject will be allowed to be closed. The issue in Calne is the "travellers site" and peoples efforts should be focused on that!
FOR ONCE I AGREE WITH PETER.
ITS TIME TO PUT THE FLAG TO ONE SIDE FOR A WHILE.
IT IS TIME TO FIGHT AGAINST THE PROPOSED GYPSIE SITES WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED IN CALNE.
WWW.CALNETALK.COM
Posted by: Harris, Calne on 11:52am today
Spooks – the proposed gipsy site is an issue that I also find important and there are other community issues that I spend my time on too. If I want to spread my time to cover the things that I feel are important then I will. I will also decide for myself which (if any) I put to one side to focus on another. The crux of this issue is that the councillors are not representing their electorate. The electorate have not been represented over the flag so what makes you think they will be represented over the gipsy site?
Spooks – the proposed gipsy site is an issue that I also find important and there are other community issues that I spend my time on too. If I want to spread my time to cover the things that I feel are important then I will. I will also decide for myself which (if any) I put to one side to focus on another. The crux of this issue is that the councillors are not representing their electorate. The electorate have not been represented over the flag so what makes you think they will be represented over the gipsy site?
Posted by: spooks, calne on 12:51pm today
[quote][bold]Harris[/bold] wrote:
Spooks – the proposed gipsy site is an issue that I also find important and there are other community issues that I spend my time on too. If I want to spread my time to cover the things that I feel are important then I will. I will also decide for myself which (if any) I put to one side to focus on another. The crux of this issue is that the councillors are not representing their electorate. The electorate have not been represented over the flag so what makes you think they will be represented over the gipsy site?[/quote] Harris all i am saying is that the decision regarding the flag has been made.like it or not there is nothing we can do untill it is time for it to come up again at the council.
The gypsie sites are a real thret NOW we are in a position to stop this.
WWW.CALNETALK.COM
Harris wrote:
Spooks – the proposed gipsy site is an issue that I also find important and there are other community issues that I spend my time on too. If I want to spread my time to cover the things that I feel are important then I will. I will also decide for myself which (if any) I put to one side to focus on another. The crux of this issue is that the councillors are not representing their electorate. The electorate have not been represented over the flag so what makes you think they will be represented over the gipsy site?
Harris all i am saying is that the decision regarding the flag has been made.like it or not there is nothing we can do untill it is time for it to come up again at the council.
The gypsie sites are a real thret NOW we are in a position to stop this.
WWW.CALNETALK.COM
Posted by: Harris, Calne on 2:42pm today
Spooks I’m on your side. But I maintain that the crux of this issue is that a significant number of Calne’s Town Councillors are failing to represent their electorate. Last Thursday the British Legion presented a Council meeting with a petition that represented over 5% of the people in Calne. Almost 100% of those people asked had signed the petition. The response from the Councillors was to rubbish the petition by saying that the people of Calne could be persuaded to sign anything and that we would sign anything to get someone of our doorsteps. They think we’re stupid! They won’t listen to us over the flag so what makes you think they will listen to us over anything else?
Spooks I’m on your side. But I maintain that the crux of this issue is that a significant number of Calne’s Town Councillors are failing to represent their electorate. Last Thursday the British Legion presented a Council meeting with a petition that represented over 5% of the people in Calne. Almost 100% of those people asked had signed the petition. The response from the Councillors was to rubbish the petition by saying that the people of Calne could be persuaded to sign anything and that we would sign anything to get someone of our doorsteps. They think we’re stupid! They won’t listen to us over the flag so what makes you think they will listen to us over anything else?
Posted by: Harris, Calne on 3:00pm today
Spooks – might I add that I do sincerely hope that we are much more successful in resolving the proposed gipsy site issue than we have been to date with the flag.
Spooks – might I add that I do sincerely hope that we are much more successful in resolving the proposed gipsy site issue than we have been to date with the flag.
Posted by: P Dolman, Calne on 4:27pm today
The current council have voted to prolong their period of office to 6 years. While a decision has yet to be made it is likely that elections for the town council will not held until 2013. I wonder how many of the voting public will remember the issue of the "FLAG". I also wonder how many of the protaganists will still live in the area?
The current council have voted to prolong their period of office to 6 years. While a decision has yet to be made it is likely that elections for the town council will not held until 2013. I wonder how many of the voting public will remember the issue of the "FLAG". I also wonder how many of the protaganists will still live in the area?
Posted by: spooks, calne on 4:39pm today
[quote][bold]Harris[/bold] wrote:
Spooks I’m on your side. But I maintain that the crux of this issue is that a significant number of Calne’s Town Councillors are failing to represent their electorate. Last Thursday the British Legion presented a Council meeting with a petition that represented over 5% of the people in Calne. Almost 100% of those people asked had signed the petition. The response from the Councillors was to rubbish the petition by saying that the people of Calne could be persuaded to sign anything and that we would sign anything to get someone of our doorsteps. They think we’re stupid! They won’t listen to us over the flag so what makes you think they will listen to us over anything else?[/quote] If thats the councill attitude then it is totaly shocking and disgusting.We the people of calne voted them in to do the best for calne.
boy were we wrong.
as for the gypsie site i do hope we are succesfull in stopping it.From what i know most of the towns councils do not want it either.if you look at where the council live quite a few live on oxford road.where the proposed site is.
calne people are not stupid .
the one thing i will say about calne is that they are a bit slow off there mark and should stand up more for what they belive in .insted of moaning about it.
Although i dont agree with peter on a lot of issues i have a huge respect for him and what he did over the liesure centre.
www.calnetalk.com
Harris wrote:
Spooks I’m on your side. But I maintain that the crux of this issue is that a significant number of Calne’s Town Councillors are failing to represent their electorate. Last Thursday the British Legion presented a Council meeting with a petition that represented over 5% of the people in Calne. Almost 100% of those people asked had signed the petition. The response from the Councillors was to rubbish the petition by saying that the people of Calne could be persuaded to sign anything and that we would sign anything to get someone of our doorsteps. They think we’re stupid! They won’t listen to us over the flag so what makes you think they will listen to us over anything else?
If thats the councill attitude then it is totaly shocking and disgusting.We the people of calne voted them in to do the best for calne.
boy were we wrong.
as for the gypsie site i do hope we are succesfull in stopping it.From what i know most of the towns councils do not want it either.if you look at where the council live quite a few live on oxford road.where the proposed site is.
calne people are not stupid .
the one thing i will say about calne is that they are a bit slow off there mark and should stand up more for what they belive in .insted of moaning about it.
Although i dont agree with peter on a lot of issues i have a huge respect for him and what he did over the liesure centre.
www.calnetalk.com
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